thorichthys ellioti

[sero40]

ik ben op zoek naar ellioti's en de dierenwinkel kan er aan komen alleen duurt een paar maanden. dus ik vroeg mij of iemand een tip voor mij heeft om aan ellioti's te kunnen komen. ze moeten niet volgroeid zijn maar jonge vissen.

 

[de marte]

In den Bosch bij valkenburg heb ik ze een paar weken geleden gezien

 

[sero40]

Richvio is dat Koidream valkenburg??

groetjes sero

 

[sero40]

Richvio is dat Koidream valkenburg??

groetjes sero

 

[de marte]

Dierenspeciaalzaak valkenburg in den bosch

 

[sero40]

oke tanks ik ga een keer kijken

 

[Botia]

Ik weet ze in Noord-Holland ook nog eventueel.

 

[sero40]

oke en welke plaats of kweker?

 

[Botia]

Omgeving Hoorn-Enkhuizen preciese informatie via PM.

 

[Jos Brand]

Van Keulen cichlides in Woudenberg heeft ze zitten.
De naam is aangepast en heten nu Thorichthys maculipinnis (ellioti)

 

[mss]

Wilde inderdaad zeggen VKC heeft ze en daar kun je nooit fout gaan met je aanschaf, super mensen en service koop er zelf alles en ze hebben beschikken over veel zuid amerikaanse.midden amerikaans cichliden kennis

 

[AquaVISie]

De naam is aangepast en heten nu Thorichthys maculipinnis (ellioti)

Volgens Fishbase is het nog steeds ellioti

 

[Mascha&Ivo]

De Catalog of Fishes heeft het wel degelijk over maculipinnis:

ellioti, Thorichthys Meek [S. E.] 1904:223, Fig. 72 [Field Columbian Museum, Zoological Series v. 5; ref. 2958] Motzorongo, Veracruz, Mexico. Holotype: FMNH 4627 [not 4727]. Paratypes: FMNH 4628 (22), 72622 (2); UMMZ 162471 (3), ?177456 (2). Type catalog: Ibarra & Stewart 1987:83 [ref. 12367]. �Valid as Cichlasoma ellioti (Meek 1904) -- (Miller & Taylor 1984:937 [ref. 6809], Conkel 1993:176 [ref. 22949], Espinosa P�rez et al. 19936 [ref. 22290], Nelson et al. 2004:151 [ref. 27807]). �Valid as Thorichthys ellioti Meek 1904 -- (Burgess 2000:54 [ref. 24818], Kullander in Reis et al. 200344 [ref. 27061], Miller 2006:377 [ref. 28615], Scharpf 2009:10 [ref. 30400], Page et al. 2013:157 [ref. 32708]). �Synonym of Thorichthys maculipinnis (Steindachner 1864) -- (Allgayer 2010:27 [ref. 31541]). Current status: Synonym of Thorichthys maculipinnis (Steindachner 1864). Cichlidae: Cichlinae. Habitat: freshwater.

http://researcharchive.calacademy.org/r ... atmain.asp

De revalidatie van maculipinnis is is hier gedaann:
Allgayer, R. 2010 (Oct.)
R�habilitation de l'esp�ce Heros maculipinnis Steindachner, 1864 (Pisces: Cichlidae) du bassin du Rio Papaloapan au Mexique. L'an Cichlida� v. 10: 27-30.

he neglected description

In 1864 Steindachner wrote a paper describing several now well-known Central American cichlids: Heros lentiginosus, H. helleri, H. bifasciatus, H. gibbiceps, and H. maculipinnis. The last of these matches in all taxonomic aspects the description of Thorichthys ellioti by Meek. Moreover the type locality of T. maculipinnis is given as Rio Jamapa, which belongs to the Papaloapan river system, and from which T. ellioti was also described. The type localities of T. ellioti and of T. maculipinnis are not far from one another. Besides this taxonomic information, a personal knowledge of the area and the fish fauna leads me to conclude that we are talking here about the same fish: thus T. ellioti is probably a junior synonym of T. maculipinnis. The Rio Jamapa, although in the drainage area of the Papaloapan, is not a direct affluent of the large river but empties direct into the Gulf of M�xico. This fact may possibly suggest the recognition of T. ellioti as a distinct species but, knowing the cichlids of the entire Papaloapan system, I feel this is highly unlikely. Meek (1904), when describing Thorichthys ellioti, didn't recognize Heros maculipinnis as a member of his genus Thorichthys; this was rectified later by Regan (1905), who included it in his Thorichthys section. It is not hard to imagine why this happened. It seems that the specimen described by Steindachner as Heros ntaculipinnis has badly damaged fins and thus lacks some of the diagnostic characters recognized by Meek for Thorichthys. If both descriptions are proved to refer to the same species, as I think likely, the name maculipinnis will have precedence over ellioti, which will then become a junior synonym of it.

http://www.cichlidae.com/article.php?id=143

 

[Jos Brand]

Uiteraard had ik het ook niet zelf bedacht en is de vis enkele malen van naam veranderd.

http://www.nvcweb.nl/visbeschrijvingen/ ... achner1864

 

[sero40]

Dank jullie wel!!